Posts by Juan Viejo2

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Menlo Park Kingdom Hall 3

by Juan Viejo2 in

for those of you that have been following the ongoing story of the forced take over of the menlo park, california kingdom hall, please go to:.

http://ex-jw.com/fear-and-loathing-in-menlo-park.

i'm sorry, the article is still a little rough and still needs a lot of editing, but i wanted to get it up by today at the latest.

Sorry I missed your question. I can't can't get to all of the court records because I don't live in the area, although I travel there frequently. Some of the court documents are posted online on Justia, but not all. The local reporter has been helpful by getting PDF copies of the court documents and sending them to me. If you read the article "Fear and Loathing in Menlo Park" on Ex-JW.com, you will see at the end of the article I have posted copies of all the court documents that were available at that time.

Police reports are a different situation. Reporters can often see the police reports, but most are not readily available to the general public. Some other legal documents are also restricted unless you have official status or are a reporter for a local newspaper.

There are a lot of documents that I've seen in connection with this case, but not allowed to publish or make copies. Some of my contacts will tell me what a document says, but will not or can not provide me with a copy. So I must be careful to not overreach and make statements that can not be supported by clear evidence.

There is much more to this story. I have feelers out all over the country to find out the facts about other KH situations where the Kingdom Hall was snatched, taken over, or sold out from under the existing congregation. There is plenty of evidence that these things are going on, but it would be better to have names, dates and places to support the articles I write. For someone like me, who has no official status or credentials - as well as branded as an apostate, getting documented facts can be very difficult.

JV

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Sacramento, Ca area Kingdom Halls

by Juan Viejo2 in

i'm hoping someone can help me with this:.

as many of you know, i've been reporting and researching on the takeover scandal at the menlo park kingdom hall.

there is much more to report on this case, which i will as soon as possible, but i've been asked to hold off for a bit while some things sort themselves out.. two requests:.

Juan Viejo2

I'm hoping someone can help me with this:

As many of you know, I've been reporting and researching on the takeover scandal at the Menlo Park Kingdom Hall. There is much more to report on this case, which I will as soon as possible, but I've been asked to hold off for a bit while some things sort themselves out.

Two requests:

1. Can anyone point me to three or more Kingdom Halls in the USA that have recently been taken over, shutdown, or combined where the existing elders were basically fired and maybe disgraced. I've heard from an anonymous contact located in Western Pennsylvania that this type of thing has happened there and also in Kentucky, Indiana and Tennessee. Unfortunately, the information was only "a tip" and no specific locations could be provided to me or other contacts.

Richard Rawe, a well-known ex-JW elder from Washington state, experienced a situation like this, but his story dates back to the early 1990s. I'd like to hear something more current.

2. I've received a tip that a congregation in or near Sacramento, CA actually VOTED DOWN a proposed replacement or change in their Kingdom Hall. I do not have any specific information, but it seems to be similar to the Menlo Park situation, but the locals stood up to the RBC / WTBS and voted down a proposed merger or replacement. The rumor is that the RBC backed off, possibly because they did not want to have another Menlo Park scandal to deal with.

I'm located in Oregon, but travel to northern California frequently. If anyone knows about this case, or another similar situation, please contact me via PM or by email at jviejo@ex-jw.com. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I guarantee your total anonymity if you choose to assist me.

Thanks everyone! I've had a lot of help through this forum that I can never pay back, especially on the Menlo Park story. I expect a major turn of events in June (2011) in connection with that ongoing court case.

JV

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Big JW mutiny in the Vancouver BC area!!

by 1914BS in

well this year'a assembly is over and the dubs in the vancouver bc area are mad at the gb.

about 100.000 dubs had to travel all the way to kamloops bc about a 300 mile drive one way!!.

i have heard that that each dub had to shell out $500 bucks and more for food and lodging just to hear some druel about scolio.

Juan Viejo2

Blondie - you have a PM...

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Gems from the August 15, 2011 WT

by Ultimate Reality in

pdfs can be obtained at jw.org.... spiritual gem #1. perhaps witnesses should apply the standard the wt recommends for gathering information on the internet to wt publications; from page 4:.

(1) who published this.

material?

Juan Viejo2

If most of the most recent appointees to the Governing Body were still serving in local Kingdom Halls - and partook of the emblems - they most likely would be called in to account for themselves before a bunch of non-"anointed" elders. Everyone in the congregation would immediately suspect that they were mentally imbalanced or faking it.

Of course, in my mind there is no doubt that everyone on the Governing Body is faking it. If they were "anointed" they wouldn't be treating the rank and file like a bunch of inebriated dodos.

JV

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Post a favorite male/female duet song

by journey-on in

here's one of mine:.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkfx0mmqb48.

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Juan Viejo2

Mrs. Jones, that Kenny Loggins concert was amazing - and I just missed out on a chance to go to it. Loggins' duet with Michael McDonald ("What a Fool Believes") took a totally different approach to the Doobies' standard that Loggins co-wrote with McDonald. The back up musicians were first rate.

What a beautiful place to enjoy a concert, surrounded by massive redwoods. Sorry I missed it, but I have the DVD.

I won't post them here, but McDonald and Patty LaBelle's duet ("On My Own") and Patty Austin and James Ingram's "Baby Come to Me" are two others that I never tire of hearing.

JV

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New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures

by Quendi in

i know this has been discussed before, but i want to reopen the topic.

i am currently reading ray franz's memoir crisis of conscience and ran across this footnote with respect to the new world translation of the holy scriptures:.

"the new world translation bears no translator's name and is presented as the anonymous work of the "new world translation committee.

Juan Viejo2

Quendi,

While I will support your position that the name "Jehovah" was published in some form as early as the 12th century, I stand by my initial statement:

==> "Jehovah" is the English version of the Greek version of the Hebrew version of the YHVH with added vowels <==

Yes, of course other languages use their own variations on the name Jehovah. I wasn't talking about German, or French, or Spanish or Swahili. That goes without saying.

There is no evidence of Jesus, while surrounded by his followers, commanding or even suggesting that they call the Father "Jehovah." Nor is it likely that he told them to call Him "Yahweh," although that is more likely than "Jehovah."

I still hold my position that there is no evidence that the name JEHOVAH has any particular significance or any higher accuracy than any other name for God Almighty that some cult wants to pull out of their ass.

JV

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Its been six months...

by MrFreeze in

today is my 6th month anniversary of leaving the organizations.

time to have a beer and celebrate!.

Juan Viejo2

I'll drink a case of Corona in your honor, Mr. Freeze! Chilled, of course, with lime.

JV

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New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures

by Quendi in

i know this has been discussed before, but i want to reopen the topic.

i am currently reading ray franz's memoir crisis of conscience and ran across this footnote with respect to the new world translation of the holy scriptures:.

"the new world translation bears no translator's name and is presented as the anonymous work of the "new world translation committee.

Juan Viejo2

"Jehovah" is the English version of the Greek version of the Hebrew version of the YHVH with added vowels (not used by ancient Hebrew). Jesus was not called Jesus in the first century. He would have been known as Yeheshua or some variation. Jesus is the Greek version of his name.

I have never found a single verse that proves that Jesus ever commanded his followers to refer to Almighty God by His personal name, but always as "Father."

This whole argument over whether Jehovah is the correct name for Almighty God is bogus. It was simply formed by taking the Greek version of the Tetragrammaton and adding the vowels from Elohim and Adonai to make the name pronounceable.

The wide use of the title Lord can be traced back to the middle-ages and the propaganda that kings were appointed by divine intervention and that powerful landowners (lords) had achieved their success due to God's grace. So where Adonai and Elohim appeared in the original text, the words were replaced with the common dark ages generics of Lord, God, and Father.

JV

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what was the best gig you ever attended and why ?

by the max in

my own was ac/dc at the hamersmith odoen london 1980, the highway to hell tour with bonn scott, they were at their creative peak with their best line up with there best album, you had to be there to understand !!

!.

Juan Viejo2

The Mountain Winery Amphitheater, Saratoga, California - Summer 2000

Michael McDonald w/ Amy Holland (McDonald)

Jeff Bridges

Above the Clouds

Perfect weather. Everyone was in perfect voice. Jeff Bridges was beginning his solo C/W style singing. Amy Holland had just recovered from her bout with cancer and was in fine form as backup female vocalist.

I've been to many, many concerts, but without a doubt everything came together perfectly that night. Great crowd too!

JV

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Menlo Park Cong.

by exwhyzee in

i recently got in touch with an old jw friend of mine (now of the annointed) who lives near menlo park ca.

i asked him about that congreagation there that got closed down or had some sort of uprising.

he didn't know anything about it and even sounded like he didn't believe it ever happened.

Juan Viejo2

There is breaking news on the Menlo Park story.

For those who haven't kept up with it, go to Ex-JW.com and read the articles "Fear and Loathing..." and "Updates."

I'm not at liberty to release any new specific information just yet, but I can assure you that the best is yet to come. Let me give you some hints:

Police

Newspaper Reporters

Justice Department

Forgery

Money laundering

That is all. Please keep your eyes and ears open for the latest developments. As usual, I will let everyone here know when something new gets posted over at Ex-JW.com on this subject.

JV